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What part of Arizona are you in, Travis?

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It's no fake.

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Travis, I want to shoot you right off the bat here.

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There's a lot of controversy going on about your story,

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and I think you've kind of stirred up some problems in the UFO circles and so forth.

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How do you feel about people saying,

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I don't believe what you're telling me is the truth?

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Well, you know, it depends on who they are.

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I can't blame some people for being skeptical.

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I mean, you know, it's an extremely incredible thing, you know,

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that I find it hard to handle myself.

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You know, I think that for people to pass judgment before, you know,

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examining all the other evidences is kind of unfair,

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but, you know, D.H. his own, everybody's entitled to their opinion.

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I can't take it personally, you know, it's just, you know,

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there are plenty of people who do believe me,

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people who know me, and, you know, I'm never going to hear you say anything about it.

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Have you been exposed to the Betty Hill Star Map, Travis?

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I've heard about it.

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Did you at any time during your encounter see anything like that?

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Did the beings that examined you or captured you show you

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or tell you anything about where they were from?

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No, they didn't tell me anything.

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I did see stars. It was some, you know, I don't know

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whether it was a map or just a viewing screen of where the thing was,

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but I didn't recognize any patterns.

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Could you describe, this is Terry Dickinson speaking, Travis.

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Yeah.

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Could you describe anything in connection with some stars or points

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that may have even remotely resembled a map?

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Was it in a frame, in a circle, overhead, in mid-air?

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Can you remember?

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Well, it was, there was a room and it was, it was, it was kind of like a planetarium thing.

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I mean, you could see stars in every direction.

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From the horizon upward or all around?

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All around, even through the floor.

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Or on the floor, I don't know which it was, but

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I know a few constellations, you know, I don't know their names, you know,

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things that I'm familiar with, but I didn't see any constellations that I recognized.

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Could you tell me if the number of stars appeared to be greater or lesser

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than you would see on a clear night in Arizona?

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On a clear night in Arizona, you can see a heck of a lot of stars.

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It might have been about the same, maybe more.

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Do you have any recollection of a concentration of stars, such as the Milky Way

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or a concentration in any particular spot, or was it sort of...

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Yeah, there was kind of like a band, or, you know, like, kind of like the Milky Way,

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but, you know, I had nothing I recognized, and I don't know.

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Could you say that it did then resemble the Milky Way?

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Yeah, I guess so.

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It's very interesting.

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Yes, that is interesting.

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I don't like that, you know what I mean?

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So, you then, it really could have resembled a...

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what you would see in a planetarium, a projection of the real sky.

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It resembled that closer than anything else you can think of.

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Yeah, either an actual... I don't know how it's done.

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I don't either. Not as far as a spaceship is concerned.

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Travis, once you were inside the spacecraft itself,

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were you like unconscious and then became conscious after you were inside the craft?

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Yeah, when I came to, I was in a lot of pain.

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And the first thing I saw were these aliens standing over me.

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You know, the sight to me and the pain, I just became hysterical.

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That's understandable.

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Did at any time they speak to you, and if so, was it an audible sound or a telepathic sound?

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I screamed all kinds of questions at them, and they never said anything.

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They never opened their mouths.

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I could hear myself. I could hear the sounds of my movements.

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They never said anything.

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Did you hear an echo of your own voice?

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Yeah. Well, you know, it's normal. I could hear myself talking.

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Were you off the ground, Travis, or do you know?

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I don't know. I never felt any movement, you know, like acceleration or anything like that.

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I couldn't see out any windows unless that projection was showing exactly where the thing was,

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but I don't know. I couldn't be sure if it was or not, and as far as any sounds of machinery, it was silent.

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When you were younger and before this occurred to you, was there ever, did you know anything about UFOs?

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Had you ever, you know, were you a science fiction buff or anything like that?

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You know, I suppose I, you know, I can't say that I'd never heard of the word UFO like everybody has, but I was not a buff.

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You're familiar with the anatomy of the creatures that Betty Hill described, that was your name, Travis?

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Yeah.

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Could you state any differences between them?

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I'm not real familiar with the description, but generally I think a verbal description would match, but from, you know, the drawings that I've had reconstructed, the ones he's had back, I understand there's some differences, but I don't know what they are.

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It may just be a difference of, you know, description or something like that. But I don't know.

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I'm interested in the mouth in terms of communication or any method of communication through signals or sounds that you detected between among them.

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There was hand gestures, I mean, I just kind of caught that one. I was screaming at them and they were coming towards me, they put their hands on.

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Kind of, I don't know, kind of like a, you know, hold it kind of gesture, but that's about it. I didn't see their mouth move.

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I never saw whether they had teeth or anything like that.

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If there's such a thing as telepathy and if they were trying to communicate with me, I would have been a bad receptor because I was just hysterical.

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Yeah.

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How long?

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Excuse me, carry on.

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I'm wondering about the, they were attempting to communicate with you through hand signals. Did you detect any method that they were communicating among each other or were they simply going about their duties?

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I don't know, but when I threatened them and they stopped, they all stopped at once and when they left the room they all turned and left at the same time.

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Now, whether they had some kind of inaudible or mental telecommunication that I, you know, maybe there was some signal there that I missed, they acted in unison.

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How were they dressed Travis?

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They had on the coveralls, just one piece clothing down to the wrist, up to the neck. It was just kind of a coverall of brownish, orange, tanned, I don't know.

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It was definitely though not their flesh. There was a distinct difference between the clothing and the flesh.

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Yeah, you could tell it was kind of material. I couldn't see a weave in it, you know, like coarse fabric, but I got the impression it was kind of material.

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What about the texture of the skin and the color?

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Pale, white, chalky looking.

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Any texture or was it smooth?

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It was pretty smooth, like in the bends in their hands when they put them out towards me, I could see that when they bent their fingers it was kind of, it didn't wrinkle quite like ours.

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It kind of had a rounded fold look. I don't know what that means.

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You think there was any chance that they may have been robots, Travis?

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Boy, that would be a sophisticated piece of machinery, but I guess anything that would function as a being for that purpose would be undetectable because they looked aligned to me.

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Did you see any semblance of living characteristics like blinking of eyes or hair?

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Oh boy, those eyes were very large. Man, I tell you that was the scariest part of the whole thing. The way they looked at me it just seemed like they looked right through me.

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And their eyes were so large that when they blinked it was very striking.

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Did you get the feeling they were men or women or male or female, I guess?

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I couldn't tell. I don't know.

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Travis Jack Hennicott here. When Betty Hill was with us she described the eyes of the aliens that she saw and mentioned the fact that they seemed to wrap around the head somewhat.

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Did you find this to be the case?

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I don't know. They were just extremely, extremely large, but I would just say they wrapped around their head.

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Did you notice a color to the eyes?

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Yeah, they were brown.

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Brown in the pupil and iris and white in the rest?

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Not trying to get away from the description, but I'm sure most skeptics would probably like to know if you had any enemies at that time that really wanted to see you put out of action for a while.

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No, none.

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What about the other people, Travis? I mean, there were six of you all together, so there were five, no, there were seven of you all together, wasn't there?

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Yeah.

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What happened to the other six people? Are they still friends?

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We're on friendly terms, but they're scattered all over the place. One, I'm living in New Mexico, one, I'm living in Texas, one, Southern Arizona, all over.

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Now you have a book that has been released, I believe, since I talked to you about your experience. Can you tell us about the book, Travis?

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It was called The Walton Experience. It's a Berkeley publishing company. I wrote it to set the record straight.

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I've seen so many accounts that were inaccurate and they were just really garbled. And what you brought up there at the first, the accusations that were made, I wanted an opportunity to answer each thing and straighten things out and show things to be the way they deliver.

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Are you familiar with the book entitled The Ultimate Encounter by Bill Barry? Is that an accurate account?

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Well, I fairly saw. There's a few minor mistakes.

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Such as?

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Oh, he wrote that the National Enquirer paid me $5,000 for my story and they didn't play that thing.

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There was an award that they gave much later for the best, most scientifically valuable case of the year. And I received that, but that was only after the story was read.

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Getting back to your book, Travis, it's Terry Dickinson here. As a journalist, I'm curious to know if you wrote the book on your own or as many people who have an interesting experience have done, had the assistance of a professional journalist.

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I wrote it all, now.

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Very good. Congratulations. It's not easy to do.

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Let me ask you a question. Has there been, this feels like we're policemen giving them a third degree, but there's so many questions we'd like to ask. Has there been any other encounter since that time, either physically or mentally?

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With me?

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Yes.

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Oh, no. What?

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Oh, no.

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That's enough.

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Sorry, no way.

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Do you wish that it never had happened?

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Well, I've gained, you know, in ways I can't really put my finger on, you know, the personal growth, I guess, now that it's all passed. But I think that if it were to happen again or if I could go back, there was some way of not making it public, that would have been a personal one.

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Travis, if you don't mind me asking, who are you?

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I'm 27 right now.

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So you were 25 when that happened?

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No, I was 22.

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22? Oh, it's been that long, isn't it? Time passed, he's really fast. I was 36 when that happened. No. I'm just leaving you.

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Do you think that it has made you a more philosophical person?

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Yes, definitely.

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And what might that philosophy be if I might get you to share that with me?

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No, I just think that, I think it's kind of broadened my view, I think more in terms of a total universe, you know, more so than, you know, not to get, you know, fanatic about it or, you know, how some people turn it into a pseudo-religion or something, but, you know, I just think more in totality, I think, than the average person can.

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Do you believe, and I realize I'm asking you now for your own opinion, but do you believe that these beings that captured you were extraterrestrial? Do you think they were something earthbound? What do you think that they were?

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I have no solid, nothing solid that would tell me for sure where they were from, but I would tend to believe they were extraterrestrial.

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There's other possible explanations, but probably the most likely one would be extraterrestrial.

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What are some of those other possible explanations?

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Well, Dr. Heineck has sort of an extra-dimensional theory. Some people believe they come from lots of places. Some people, you know, believe they're segments of the devil, and I suppose there's lots of different theories, but I think probably the most likely would be extraterrestrial.

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One final question that I would like to ask of you, and then, gentlemen, if you have anything else to say, I'm a mother myself. I have children of my own, and I've talked with your mother many times. In fact, every time that I've called you, who has this affected your mother? Does she believe your story?

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Oh, yeah. I mean, she knows me better than anybody. Of course, she knows me better than anybody. I think she's handled it really good. She's kind of adjusted to the same way I have.

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We tend not to discuss it or talk about it at all, you know, with somebody else, but it's just kind of put aside and we just go on and on and on. I realize that some people have had similar experiences, tend to get wrapped up on the subject. I think that can be, you know, harmful.

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So I just try to keep things pretty much as normal as possible.

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Thanks, Travis. Thank you, Travis.

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Bye-bye.

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Bye-bye now.

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Bye-bye.